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1. Left Justification Header – Higher education: Study participants described their personal perspectives and experiences on education beyond GED/High School completion. The shared perspectives and experiences included: (a) trainings (b) education (c) checklist/checking the boxes (c) academic support.

a. Training. Fifteen of 15 student veterans in this study described multiple trainings during their military experience. The participants described the military trainings as attendance at formal military training schools and On-the-Job Training (OJT) in order to meet the requirements of multiple official and unofficial military duties.

i. P14: And that is how military training goes, they are just kind of like the structured school trainings, there’s plenty of training exercises riddled throughout. P14: So I trained for three different MLS is P14: I did. P14: At least one P14: Extra schooling for the P14: Electronics warfare. P14: Basic training. I attended a total of five military schools.

ii. P15: The other two such as being an expert director, as well as a tool home representative, those were more OJT or on the job training. P15: On the job. I couldn’t really make a mistake. So there was a little bit of pressure behind that as well. And you just learned the job but you kind of have to be great at it from day one, or at least week one. Once they take the training wheels off, you really have to be P15: Already on it.

iii. P11: I don’t regret any of my military training.

b. Education – Veterans describe community college as an continuation of their military education entitlement including college funded resources i.e. the Student Achievement and Success Program, tutors, and the veteran center.

i. P12 described the education benefit as extremely. It was 85% of the reason why she joined the Navy. She described education is a meal ticket in the United States. She described education as a personal necessity. She believes that she has to have a degree if you she is to secure a respectable job or if you really want to be taken seriously in this day and time.

ii. Participant’s community college academic majors, courses, and interests included P1: A fine art specifically drawing, painting.: Various forms of printmaking photography: General courses such as English General math courses science courses; P2: human services and also the basically it was a transfer Studies degree and my concentrations were in human services: P4: Psychology. psychology Sociology, marketing, journalism; P7: Got a degree and transfer a just a general transfer degree; P8 : Computer Science and video game development; P9: art classes, drawing and painting color , business communication, event planning, and hospitality. P10: Public Health; P11: Art, cooking, life coaching, entrepreneurship in medical cannabis., building your coaching business; P12 public health; P13: Transfer degree and engine graduate with a fine arts degree; P14; sustainable agriculture, general studies, entrepreneurship in medical cannabis; P15: Product design.

iii. Of 15 participants, 0 reported participants reported alignment of their community college course or credential to their previous military career specialty.

iv. 15 participants excluded their military training in their total courses taken self-reported calculations.

v. P8 : Um, I joined the Marine Corps really because I did not really know what I wanted to do after high school. You know, I knew I did not want to go to college immediately

vi. P5: So I just decided to go ahead and go and see the world and you get the benefits for, you know, the GI Bill. Cool.

vii. P6: I: Needed another trade. I wanted something different different. I put it in my mind, of being in the mind for that I was going to learn about computers.

c. Checklist/checkboxes –

i. P1: I don’t really think it’s a it’s a question of adjustment.P1: I’ve been told by many people. -: Peers, and -: superiors, especially in the military that I was a more of a scholarly person -: However, within I think within the current realm of higher education is more about -: It’s more about checking off a checkbox. -: Than it is actually becoming educated or educating or using that as a means of educating oneself to make oneself, better, more well-rounded person, it seems to be more about checking making you have a checklist, you meet you meet these this criteria. -: He may or may not learn -: The concepts or or -: They’re given and then it’s moved on to me it seems it feels almost like a factory And less of a place of higher learning

ii. P14: Throughout the “process” of community college I used my Montgomery GI bill. P14 described community college as a process.

iii. P12: I attended an orientation for veterans where it’s like in veteran center and mandatory. I was there to to check a box.

iv. P15: It is college military adviser’s job to Pretty much, get me to where I need to be to give me along the lines of success to to allow me to learn what I need to learn it is not their job to necessarily just put me in the class and in their school they’re looking out for the greater good. Not, not a check in a box, not a quota, they’re looking out how to make the best of this potential in the student who is a veteran, which, which can improve the world on a much larger scale.

v. P8 : Um, I joined the Marine Corps really because I did not really know what I wanted to do after high school. You know, I knew I did not want to go to college immediately

vi. P2: It really helped me um, you know, and then she was like, and if you have a problem. You going to come see me and, you know, and she just went down this list of-: And and she had it ready and then she would also check up on me. I’m like part of my job was or, you know, like in this program, I had to do so many chickens.-

d. Tutoring/academic support:

i. P2: So through the student achievement and success program. They also had the military veterans resource center. So I had a dedicated military counselor.-: And I also who was a veteran and so I to that someone that could help me with my it you know academic questions as well as if I was having a tough day with something or even questions about how do I contact someone at the VA about whatever.

ii. P2: Um, and so-: They could go, you could just go in there and relax. You could get help. We had tutors that were in there. It was because so much of a multi use-: Like area they let me give a presentation in there. I had this honors project and I had to present to a charity to try to get-: A program going there and they let me present in there. Um, because I wouldn’t have had nowhere anywhere else.-: Do. There was nowhere else on campus for students to do things like that. So, so they let me do that. And it had. It was all stopped with other everyone in there was military affiliated and so it was just a great way to be to be able to go in and-: sit for a minute and talk with people who understand things when your day is going tough and to celebrate when it’s going well.-

iii. P2: On the community college’s student achievement & success program support: Oh and SASP had this book lending library to that we had access to and you could get free textbooks checked out. You get up, you got to check them out for the basic subjects and then also those ridiculously expensive calculators ti whatever-: Like I’m no paying to like come give a performance with me, you know, not being the math genius. P2: I did that for a couple classes because I’m not going to major in it. And so I didn’t want to have to buy one of those calculators. And so the fact that they let me check that out through their loan program was good.

iv. P2: The colleges student achievement program really helped me um, you know, and then she was like, and if you have a problem. You going to come see me and, you know, and she just went down this list of-: And and she had it ready and then she would also check up on me. I’m like part of my job was or, you know, like in this program, I had to do so many chickens.-: So it wasn’t just her calling me, you know, or emailing me. I also had to come into the office on scheduled and just be like, Hey, I’m here. And someone you know would sit down or, you know, just talk to me for a minute and just be like, Hey, how are you doing-: Here about this. Did you hear about that we’re doing this they would offer. They had a-: Reading like a reading group.-: And-: That was basically like a book club and but you got together with other-: First first time students and they had pizza and they, you know, they were just THEY WEREN’T THERE TO BE YOUR SUPPORT SYSTEM.-: And they knew the answers. And if they didn’t know the answer on how to fix something they found out like they weren’t, you know, they didn’t just make up something-: And tell me, hey yeah do it this way or that way and it didn’t work out there would be like, I don’t know. Give me a few days. I’m going to find out. And I’ll either email or call you and they always followed up on our word-: That I would have quit school without it.

v. P3: I know I’ve got reached back to the community college. I know I could go down there today. Good services and support if I wanted to, without any question I’d like that ability. I’m-: What-: All the services are offered there. There’s not one stone unturned that was wasn’t available those you know you got online.-: Communications email connectivity.-: You know, you got that hybrid education now impersonal the line type stuff.-: What services said all of them money.-: Is what you would even the name. The ones I remember-: Like I said connectivity internet connectivity access to communications access to media. There’s a lot of the library was tremendous.-: And throughout the college years areas where we could go be alone with computer access, they’re actually there are areas we could go congregate and brainstorm, you know,-: There’s places we can eat and you know have sessions and talk about projects for work.-: So the library was the plethora of resources alone. And specifically, you know, I can’t say it without, without going the access to the Veterans Center down there.-: And all the services that were additionally offered. I know we came that are-: Low level counseling, it would have been provided to us.P3: It’s just another important resource.

vi. P4: All they have everything-: And I think cuz it’s a community college and people know that they have everything that they’re pretty easy to-: Reach like-: Like I said, people don’t use the guinea college as much as they should, like they just go home, there’s there’s everything-: Is everything there you have a quite there’s there’s a professor who just sits around and wonders why he doesn’t get asked more questions. You know, there’s, there’s, like,-: With the veteran things you’re, you’re, you and your whole dental team or amazing-: For everything. Nobody ever just walked out of your office. It was always just-: You know, somebody attached to them and brought them to where they need to go like, especially for veterans.-: You guys made it so much easier.-: Just to everything they have accountants, they’re just sitting there doing nothing bored and they like accountants ship, for whatever reason, and they’ll help you. You just walk in there and be like, hey, I don’t understand, taxes are like, me neither. But I can do this for you.-: Is there’s everything is little bit. It’s just whether or not you’re willing to just ask the question.-: I use a veteran services a lot. I use the-: American Disability Services a lot-

vii. P4 – On the community college – Oh yeah, I’ve used it for everything with the with the veterans, especially because it’s complicated dealing with a VA and they do the veal time and so you put the people at the school.-: I see the same people at the community college. I’ve seen for five years. You don’t see that shared the VA.-: So like those people can help you. They’re very helpful. They go in there and they’re just like, Oh, yeah, yeah. You just need to fill out this SMS and then there’s so much more responsive than the VA and they’re so helpful with people who are trying to continue their education, just anything-: I go there before I go to the VA, especially now switch the GI Bill just go talk to the-: Counselors the career counselors whatever they’re called spoke out-: To help you when you’re picking classes and The advisors.-: are amazing and they have been there forever. They understand the VA, bro. Like, like, what do you say, so if you want to switch you gotta do this.-: You guys if if you want to stay on your, your track you got to keep doing this, this, this, and they’re like, well, what do you want to do, like, okay, here, here you do this, this, this.-: Like they’re, they’re very helpful. It’s just like I say, it’s a much smaller Institute.-: You know, it’s not a-: You know, sometimes for your college to seem like this giant establishment. We’re going to community college, you can go up just bang on someone’s door.P4: And just ask a question, and they’ll, they’ll give you an answer or there’ll be like, why didn’t you go talk to this person like because I didn’t know they existed.

viii. P6: Uh, no, I didn’t, I didn’t use any of the tutors. Um, I was needed help. And what was that: An intuition. I wasn’t doing too well in nutrition. I ended up dropping it. But before I dropped it. I had a talk with a professor and she offered some ideas on how I could get better or, you know, get better grades or get a better grade for nutrition, but I didn’t take advantage o

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ix. P6: So like I went to the college’s veteran center you had all types of-: Benefits of being I guess in the military and having that vet center there.-: Some way, you can study it was quiet.-: Wasn’t in a-: Controlled um-: You had all the information in there that you could get that probably could help not only the people that was in there, giving you information. But, uh, just, uh,-: What’s the, what’s the word or language. The pamphlets and stuff. He-: That type of information, plus the real people that was there.-: The program that we’re behind the real people like-: If you needed help with-: Maybe a map. I’m thinking of Pedro, but he was a-: He was a veteran and math tutor embedded in the center paid by the college. But yes.-: Well, you had other programs behind the people to even help you, even more so.-: Yes, the pamphlets, the written knowledge that was there, plus the real people. That was good. I could give you knowledge and then the programs behind the real people.-: I just asking questions as many questions as I can.P6: Always trying to get an understanding,

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P7: I received every service that you know you could possibly want or ask for at the community college. I mean, everything that I felt that I felt I needed. I found there, you know, it wasn’t there was no nothing that I didn’t see that it was missing.-: Like I said, there was some. There was a group for me to go be a part of. There were somewhere that I could go be with that group and the military center of the vet center, you know,-: There were leaders or people above you, that gave guidance and instruction, you know, kind of point you in the right direction when you did get off track.-: Oh, I mean, I use them all the time. That’s kind of what helped me get through the being so productive in Community College as far as getting the internships and you know beingP7: honor student, you know those structures in place, you know, they gave you the guidance you needed to get to get to where you want it to be, you know

xi. P8: I just use you to utilize them, you know, by, by, you know, talking to you or talk to my my bit of resource officer.- : About, you know, getting different information, you know, asking questions that I need to get answers to, you know, being that liaison between me and the school that type of thing. Because sure that I understand, you know,- : Different you know the some of the information that I wasn’t aware of- : You know, there’s a better resource and you could go, you go on there and type your papers, you know, you can see call from other veterans, you know, seek to religion, things like that from other people from that, from that.- : As well.So, you know,- : And I just utilize it. And those capacities, you know, seeking guidance and getting information from you, you know, going to the the Veterans Resource office when I need to sometimes

xii. P9: They use the library reference checks my papers and my citations. I can do that online. And I also went into do it. They had a place to eat. So I use the dining room. They also were Veterans Resource Center. I did use that and I talked to the veterans advisor about my benefits classes to take that kind of thing. They also had a place and lounge dresses set and have some snacks and meet other veterans

xiii. P12: He there was: The math lab was a great service. I went to the math lab regularly Tuesdays and Thursdays. I did specifically for Professor Spurlock she just had a way of breaking down math to make it simple. The-: English lab for revisions. I worked as another lady, I can’t remember, but man, she really helped. She really pulled ideas out of me. Like, she just kind of-: You know, gave me a little bit and I was able to just take off with my ideas and how I want us to Word and structure things and just really was allowing me to earn a papers on my own. Um,-: Those are really the main. Those are the main with the dead center, of course.P12: Snacks the quiet place to study fellowship. People who understood it, just the the to be in there and be able to talk through things as a adult that’s in school that’s that’s surrounded by 20 year olds that kind of manage that. Um, yeah. So the best center math lab and English class.

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P13. Because I was-: Out of my family when the first to go to college.-: I utilized-: Some of the some of the special aspects of the student-: Success Program would like I’m borrowing some of the textboo

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So as I won’t save me money like that.-: Um, the veterans group was part of the sachets so if I hadn’t joined the veterans group, I wouldn’t have known about the FAFSA, but I would have still qualified for it without being a veteran because of the fact that I was in fact one of the first people in my family to go to college.-: I did not have anybody in my family prior to me who had successfully, successfully graduate from college.-: to mine the best of my knowledge, I am the first person to graduate with a degree on my-: My side of the family. -: It was supposed to help the-: Company say underachievers but that’s not the word I actually looking-: For it was supposed to help. The-: Underserved-: To-: To be able to complete their college trajectory successfully achieve their degree.-: Um, I do not. I do not know.-: Every group that they helped, but I know that veterans and first generation collegiateP13: attendees were part of the groups that they were designed to assist.

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P2: I did have a benefit of we had a Veterans Resource Center, at the community college which was attached to the program that really saved my bacon during college like I would not have made it through college without the program called student achievement and success program and the Veterans Resource Center without those two I would die probably would have dropped out two weeks into college. So while they weren’t Any monetary benefits directly from the military, the college veteran benefits were a lifeline to me succeeding and they were a huge part of my success.

2. Success – Success was described based on each participants perception of success. Described of community college success were self-defined. All participants who received Chapter 33 or Chapter 30 entitles cited the housing allowance as the an incentive to attend community college.

a. Goals

i. Self-defined goals of community college

ii. Long-term goals

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P1: Baccalaureate degree in fine arts

iv. P2: I wanted to have a career where I made an impact helping people through work with my church.

v. P3: My concern is after care for our veterans. What are we going to do with them after they finish their coursework and then they got all these great ideas all these new skills, but remember they all have mental health issues too.

vi. Right now, I don’t know, there’s no real goal. I don’t know

vii. And then long term, I would love to be a social worker. As a veteran. I just feel like it’s my niche to work with veterans and you know, their families and kind of the crisis that they endure, but I’m also willing to really work in every in every avenue whether it’s with kids or geriatrics. I come on pretty much open to everything because I know life happens and you kind of Go with the flow of where you’re at. But essentially, I would love to open up my own private practice. I’ve been blessed enough to have work with people and know people who have their own practice and they have their master’s in social work. And so I’m just speaking with them alone, I feel confident that that is something that I can do in the future. And then eventually, I would like to have my doctorate in social work. Those are my goals.

viii. P6:now it’s to get my: Taking these: What are they call my professional certificates getting my certs, though.

ix. P7: Ultimate education goal. The get a bachelor’s degree, ultimately, you know, my, my end goal will be to become a judge, you know, hopefully one day that that’s still possible, it is I’m looking at going for my masters, political science, so the end goal for me would be to gain a doctorate.

x. P8: long term goal is to: Once I take I’m about to get some certifications here soon. So once I finish wrapping that up. I’m going to try to move departments in at my employer.

xi. P9: I wanted to have something to do. And I thought that taking more classes will help keep my brain sharp and give me an opportunity to get out of the house and meet some more people.

xii. P9: and also for the Chapter 33 and for the housing allowance. And then my long term goal is to eventually get my doctorate. Which is not is not that far away. I rather be like a manager in a manager general position, instead of a it working position where you constantly. Use your hands, your body to work because I’ve done that. Countless times over and over again in the military. That what was my thinking.

xiii. P11: Well I enrolled last year to take a course the entrepreneurship in Maryland Medical cannabis, it’s a whole new field. And I know that I’ll be retiring from the College and not too distant future. But I also know that I’m not going to sit at home and do nothing. I’ve already proved that to myself. So I was wondering what else is out there that would be of interest to me that I would want to get involved in

xiv. P12: My dream school was you, UMD and so I knew that, you know, being Mid-Atlantic Community College would help me get there because I would transfer, I would learn while there that they actually had an articulation agreement with the University of Maryland (articulation agreement and GI Bill require students be enrolled in an approved major).

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P13: I knew that I wanted my four year degree.: I knew that I wanted to have a four year degree so that I could feel like. Like I had a shot at getting a real job.: Like that, like I had opportunities that I didn’t have open to me when I started this whole process.: Like the opportunities that I thought Air Force had promised me: would finally be available to me.: And I like it. It felt like: To be honest, it felt like it felt like I was finally getting my shot at what everything I had been promised my sign on the dotted line. I felt like I was finally getting a chance to recoup all those things that I thought I was going to get a shot at my signed up for the Air Force. and potentially getting my master’s degree

xvi. I want to continue on with my education. -: I feel that with the education that I’m going to receive from Xavier that I’ll be well suited for consulting -: Both on industrial farms, but also -: Certain government agencies, you know, I’m not necessarily restricting who I be able to consult with but sustainability is is a huge factor in what I want to do, but I want to, I want to be able to -: Help with the agriculture, the growth of of the plants and crops and, you know, -: I still, even though I’m I’m specifically going for a sustainable agriculture degree. I want a ultimately botany is my is my goal, my focus my -: My aspirations. -: Because body breaks down into three major like fingers of it ones agronomy the -: The study of crop development crap and and kind of large scale. -: Growing horticulture, you know the the science of the genetics of plants and forestry. -: You know, that’s kind of self explanatory itself science of a forest trees and and you know -: My ultimate goal is to kind of try to -: DO EVERYTHING I CAN in my power to help the earth sustain make it a -: Good place in a Sustainable -: Place for for generations to come to be able to maintain an Inhabitable planet.

xvii. P15: Then I discovered product design in while in the Navy. By speaking with the Program Manager of Veteran Services at MACC, I decided to transfer schools from Maryland to California.

xviii. Short term goals-Short Term Goals

1. P1: My initial goal.: Was to Receive my associates in fine arts and a local community college and also to complete the general education courses for a baccalaureate degree in fine arts.

2. P2: My goal is, I want to help people

3. P3: We were testing the federal government; we were testing that they will allow us to use the GI Bill for a an entrepreneurship course in medical cannabis at the MACC. P3: I wasn’t just taking the course to enjoy it, which I did. P3: I wanted to learn more to support my non-profit and for-profits business in that are both located in the cannabis space.

4. P4: My goal was to find something that would make still being alive worth it.

5. P5 Okay, so my goal is to finish up my Associate’s Degree in the springtime 2021. .P5 9:13 Hopefully from there, I will be able to transfer to Bowie State the following fall. And I would like to enter their social work program because they do have a really good social work program. And it’s an HBCU, which is something that I’ve always wanted to attend.

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P6: Definitely getting a degree finishing: And also I had planned on getting a job but us taking these orders to Guantanamo Bay stopped that.

7. P7: Short term goal is to gain of credits to be able to transfer I have enough, high enough GPA to get into a respectable or decent college long term goal would be to, you know, have the grades that are that could get me to where I needed to be

8. P8 : The short term goal would be to just graduate from the 4 year university.

9. P9: I don’t: Really have any I’m just taking classes.: At one point I was going to be. I wanted to do something like be a military advocate: They have like a counseling major, but I’ve decided not to do that right now. I might be looking for too much extra stress.

10. P10: short term goal is to Just accomplish my associates degree which I’m one class away.

11. P10: It was either go to work or go to school, I rather go to school to for myself in and work with work with my mind, instead of my hands so: So that’s that was my thinking

12. P11: I have done the coaching the life coaching program that the college offers. Now that was professional development, but there’s a lot of people who take it not as professional development because it can be another career field.: And I enjoyed it. But for me, I haven’t run my own business really before. So that is an area that I’m just uncomfortable and sure about. I don’t feel like I have enough information. So I did take a: Course under one of the business professors non credit on on building your coaching business.

13. P11: I started taking some of the art courses, little one. And to me, class meeting type: Drawing and so that’s been a lot of fun. Assess several of those. It’s called Zen tangle. And they have a lot of different ones: I like the cooking. Some of the cooking ones because They’re fun. P11: Well I enrolled last year to take a course the entrepreneurship in Maryland Medical cannabis, it’s a whole new field. And I know that I’ll be retiring from the College and not too distant future. But I also know that I’m not going to sit at home and do nothing. I’ve already proved that to myself. So I was wondering what else is out there that would be of interest to me that I would want to get involved in

14. P12: And so I wanted to ensure that took classes that we’re going to satisfy the credits for the associate so I didn’t want to take any like I wasn’t looking to mix up or are at this course if it wasn’t going to meet the goal.

15. P12: I wanted to finish, I wanted to finish quickly because of my limit of 36 months of benefits.

16. P12: So trying to manage that and get the most out of my benefits. So the goal was to get to the degree with as little time as possible. Like, I just wanted to do it quickly and efficiently.

17. P13: Right short term goal.: My short term goal was to get paid to go to school and to use my benefit because when this all started I was trying to find a way to make ends meet.00:37:58.290 : And I was told that I could get paid to go to school.: And since I’ve had disabilities. Ever since I got out of military having a job and trying to hold a job has been very difficult for me.: And so going to school, getting paid while it’s been difficult has not been unsustainable. So therefore, it sounded like something I could I could achieve and at least since I still had a two year shot before I hit my limiting: Might as well give it the best go I had: And so I I decided I would just try to keep going to school and as long as I could keep going to school. That’s what I would do.: So when I started Community College. It was just trying to make ends meet. But by the time I hit about and the second semester.: I had gotten a bit in my teeth and I knew what I wanted to achieve. I wasn’t just doing it to try to make me be anymore. I wanted to get my degree.: I wanted to feel like I’d actually achieved something, and I wanted my transfer studies degree most because while I still wasn’t sure what I wanted.

18. P14: To help. And to do that, but my my career goals. You know, I want to be. -: I want to work in the public sector, I want to do nonprofit work helping underdeveloped countries become self-sustaining do practice good sustaining -: Or sustainable. -: Agriculture, so that way they don’t have to depend so intensely on importing goods they can -: Become -: Developed essentially I want, I want to, I want to help underdeveloped countries develop -: And agricultural infrastructure that is sustainable for the earth. -: To then be able to use that to leverage themselves in whatever direction they want -: And -: I understand that that’s that’s kind of a down the road. That’s like a long term. -: In the short term, I want to get my degree.

19. P15 – I did not know what I wanted to do.

3. Community –

a. Personal/military family – P8 : Some veterans are from backgrounds, where you know they don’t have substantial family ties or a good family unit and things like that, or just, you know, have people. they can rely on besides themselves, which is sometimes why they joined the Marine Corps in the first place.

b. P2: I did love with a I had a whole other family. I came from kind of came from a family that was dysfunctional my original family is very dysfunctional so gaining this like new dysfunctional family, um, -: You know, I was I was around a lot of other the department that I was in, it was full of people my age. -: Um, and so we just, we were able to hang out together and we would go out to the bars and get into fights together like we would work together. You know, we really cared about each other. -: And we had each other’s back and we can fight each other. But don’t you know if we’re all out in the crew. Don’t mess with one of

c. There was a group for me to go be a part of. There were somewhere that I could go be with that group at the college’s veteran center.

d. P2: There was also like a veteran center at the community college that I could go into where I could hang out there was drinks. There was no alcoholic drinks. Of course there was snacks. There was if I forgot my lunch. They had like stuff you could microwave in there.-: And really just a place for also veterans, like I would advertise it to advertise it to other veterans as a place you can get away from the kids.-: They seems like that seems to be the selling point for them. I don’t know.

e. P5:there is there can be some type of there can be segregation, pretty much really small shit. I think we had about 325 people. So you pretty much knew everything like you knew everybody’s business, you knew everything that was going on. There was not one thing that was kind of kept a secret because that’s just gossip. And so that was kind of one of the things that I wasn’t a big fan of.

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P5: I did not know anyone in Maryland. I didn’t have any friends when I arrive. So I would literally drive home to Virginia three hour trip. P5: Just to go home, so that I can have somebody to hang out with talk to so it was nice. Being in a class with women who have kids with women who have similar interests as me. So it’s nice. I was able to, you know, have friends and

g. Military team (have each other’s back) camaraderie

i. P1: Well, within the military, there is a: At least it tipped it would they would call esprit de corps just spirit, the body which is where everyone who is a part of a unit or branch, what have you, is at least seen: As part of that unit as part of that that system they collected: What I have not experienced in the collegiate arena.

ii. P15:: When you, when I joined or when I’m already in like a year or two. -: Okay. -: So, -: I believe -: I within me. I believe I’ve had a warrior spirit for a while. So I definitely didn’t like that mentality and -: Not a lot of people feel a warrior potentially as a savage as a ruthless person, but there’s a lot of honor that comes with being a warrior if done properly, and so that I definitely enjoy that the hard work. The -: Embracing the difficulties the brotherhood, the camaraderie. I definitely enjoy that. But on the same flip the same coin. -: Sometimes it is very, very hard work and -: When I joined it was they they focused on if your teammates, if your, if your fellow marine messes up you you mess up. -: If your fellow marine messes up everyone in this unit master. Everyone has to pay for it. And so I did end up discovering like this is a truth within the military and it makes sense. One mistake. Everyone can be in trouble or in danger. -: So, -: But, uh, -: Yeah, there’s quite a few things that I did like in and didn’t like it was very laid back humble kind of guy and sometimes military can be a -: rowdy at times very high energy. And so as as a laid back, guys. It’s like the opposite of what I’m used to internally. -: But you definitely have to step outside of character or maybe I should say develop the character. -: So, -: What I liked and what I did not Like -: I will say, -: Like the warrior spirit I enjoy that. And it’s needed to defend the country as needed. But I’m not a fan of war or the concept -: Is there’s a weird dilemma there. -: Because from like a warrior mentality like -: I do grasp the concept of war. And -: But I’m not really a fan of -: Death of people unnecessarily when they’re there could be another method. Another approach. -: To for whatever political, social, -: environmental resource based reasons that people may be at war even religious reasons and I’m most I’m not a fan of P15: War in that sense I wish there was another approach that we applied.

iii. P14: P14: So I liked the: The camaraderie. -: You know, the community. The everybody’s got your back. No matter how how you feel about each other. -: I did not get along with an -: noncommissioned officer that I had in Afghanistan. Prior to Afghanistan at all. I -: Went to -: Almost two blows with him on many occasions. -: But -: Yes, this is one as well. This is when I first went to active duty. -: And then when I got -: To Afghanistan. You know, I had to work with him a little more than I’d hoped. -: At one point I was his like his number two in in in the truck. You know, I wrote on some very, very long convoys with him talking in my ears non stop. -: And at the end of the deployment. He came up to me shook my hand and said, you know, he turned out better than I, than I thought, you know, I -: You know, you’re -: You’re not a bad you know we don’t agree on things. But, you know, at the end of the day, I thought you this horrible soldier and you know I was wrong and I can basically say the same about him. He we disagreed on a lot me -: And but at the end of the day, he took care of his soldiers and that’s what his job was, you know, -: I knew that he’d had my back in in the hairiest to situations and he knew that I’d have it despite all of our many differences prior to -: So it’s that feeling that I really enjoyed about the military. -:

iv. P12: Yeah, I will say, -: I, I like the fact that when I when I wanted to be visible and when i mean i say visible when I wanted to step out and say something -: Or or getting a position to be visible to the ship, I was able to, for example, I’ve been. I’ve been. Junior Sailor of the year, I’ve been out be able to go on boards. -: Using the vehicle of going on a board to represent what female sailors do for this ship and I got to do that when I became blue. Well, I did that. And then I became. It’s called blue jacket. -: Gosh, I’m losing these terms, but it was like blue jacket, the quarter. So it’s a it’s a very junior sailor. -: Recognition, you get put on the plan of the day that goes out to every division or anybody can get the plan of a day. And what you’ll see at the very top are recipients of who have one quarterly and for the year. So I was blue jacket of the quarter. And then I went on to be -: Sailor The year at that command as well. So, but at the during those boards I one thing I learned I forget who taught me this, but you never leave a job interview, you never leave a board. -: Or anything like that where you have a platform to speak without when they say, do you have anything else to say. You never leave that -: That opportunity has to be taken advantage of. Always. You never let dead air. You never just saying no, you have to be able to contribute. There is always something to bring to the light. -: Not necessarily bad. But you have something to share it. That’s your little moment to to leave your mark and you need to leave your mark. Anytime you’re asked, do you have anything else. -: So I took that time to say I just want you to know that the the women here on this command are working just as hard or even harder than some of the men, and I feel that we deserve to be represented and we deserve the representation -: On this board and I went on to say a couple of more things just just empowering women and female sailor just women in the military period that we deserve this. -: And I want to represent this because this is what I do day in and day out for this command in my division and my sailors that I work with. So we are here. -: And we’re working so something along those lines and and then ultimately, I won. I was a I was a junior sailor of the year. -: So,P12: Wow. Yeah.

v. P8 : Um,P8 : I would describe it, it’s, it’s very, it’s like a big – : Like a big fraternity. I think it’s in a way – : You know, it’s – : Yeah, I think that’s the best way to describe it. It’s like, it’s like a big fraternity. You know, it’s, you know, we all do the same thing we all wear the same color. We all you know understand and and and value the same principles. – : But we just, you know, we just do different things, you know, just like if we were in a fraternity and you did what you did, but I did what I did. We’re still a part of the fraternity.

vi. P3 But the military culture itself. -: It’s hard to get out. I like to find myself with like minded individuals like like those safe places that are offered at colleges or other -: Locations where we can segregate ourselves and be who we are. We have a whole different language, right, we have a whole different look. We have a whole different philosophy and so -: You just don’t forget that stuff that becomes part of who you are. It’s ingrained and I don’t want to get it out of me. I like but it’s done. There’s some things I could. I wish I could improve upon -: Sensitivity. Little bit more compassion for some things. Now look, look. When you walk around and see death all day long. You know, in a combat zone. You come home. That doesn’t impact you like it used to. -: My uncle died, literally, he just died two days ago I just tried with you on the phone now more than that cry because he died. -: What I’m saying that is, that’s a whole different culture shift because that’s -: It just goes deeper years ago I remember in Delaware when all of our body bags are coming home from the wars and if you, you probably remember what I’m about to say after I saved. They started -: Be facing our deceased veterans our veterans were facing our veterans like like taking pictures with them. And that’s what all kinds of crazy shit. -: And you know, that’s the culture. And that’s about how we’re. It’s not just talking about how we’re coping with our environment that we’re in. -: And so our environments that Saudi Arabia cope. You know, people come back from Vietnam with a year necklaces and more trophies, how to cook. You know, it’s -: It’s pepper than than what the normal population. See, I think. But I will say this, you know, when you get into like -: bigger cities socio economic disadvantage offer locations PTSD is right there to, you know, the culture and, you know, -: You have to have a thick skin and oh why I got on this topic has nothing to do with education -: , that I love it. Yeah, what I like. What I don’t like is -: I might be more aggressive than other people. -: I’m trying to walk around like a typical my folder that I can do or say whatever I want. And I don’t care what people think. And I think I, I feel that’s was inherited from the work and effort. I didn’t have in the military like it’s my own personal conversation if that makes any sense.

vii. P4: I like the Brotherhood. I’ve always liked the brother. -: I don’t like that you can escape people I don’t like the fact that with a lot of it’s the same with a lot of things. It’s like if you stick with it, you’ll succeed unless you’re like completely just -: An idiot, but like the people who stay in the Marines are usually the people you hate the most everyone else is just like I’m going to go about my life, I did my four years. I’m so the people who a lot of the people I’ve met a lot of good people. -: Higher up. I’ve had amazing first sergeant’s and stuff. -: But a lot of the people who stay in there is often they just like to cower they’re just terrible people -: And they’re selfish and they don’t really understand the from the on the ground level. -: But as a boot on the ground level. I love it. I think it’s amazing. I think -: I’ve met the best people I’ve ever met in my life, I’ve met the worst people I’ve ever met my life I’ve done the coolest things, the worst things -: I, you know, I’ve never give it up

viii. P10: The military culture is this order is is fast pace. -: Order means is a structure so that there’s no way of you. -: faulting everything is set in stone. So you have something you got to follow and then -: It gives you, it gives you a sense of community I’m family you you’re like multiculturalP10: So you learn, you learn about everything, while you’re in there.

h. Severance from military life (some connection via active duty spouse)

i. P5: I also do have some military friends that are currently stationed in Virginia. My spouse is active duty, Navy

ii. P8 : I don’t, I said things. I guess it’s hard to answer because I’m no I’m not doing it, you know. – : I would have to be in the Marine Corps and feel it like and feel what it’s like feel what’s going on. See the you know the temperature, what’s happening because – : The thing I think about not being in the military is that unless you know someone who’s in the military directly. You don’t know what’s going on because it’s very – : It’s very niche and kind of like – : Secretive like we know what happens in the military because we’re in the military, but the general public, never knows what happens if they find out what happens, that’s a bad thing for the for the military and then there’s going to be a lot of changes because of it, you know.

iii. P6: I am married somebody that’s in the military. She’s in the Navy. We’re currently stationed in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. P6: And also I had planned on getting a job but us taking these orders to Guantanamo Bay. P6: The day I was graduating was the day we started checking out to Cuba. P6: So, P6: I never got a chance toP6: Look for an employment or even test it out to see if I could get hired or even go down that road.

iv. P2: And I was, I was in the service pre 911 I actually got out one month before 911 and once was recalled to but because my husband was active duty Navy at that time, they decided to cancel my recall. My husband was active duty when I attended community college.

v. P4: And I’m glad I did marry my wife because she is in the Army and now I can talk shit.

vi. P1. My recollection of my 23 years of military service well, my answer would be pretty nebulous. So we should move on with the next question.

vii. P3. Even though there’s a good proportion of the students that are older and more mature um -: There are a lot. The majority is younger and come from a different history and background and concept of beliefs, you know, they were raised differently. There are more of a technical electronic age.P3: So the culture itself is more of a technological culture and which also shows some just connection because everybody is so electronic now that uh you know we’re texting each other across the table. Instead of talking so the culture is more digital. Does that make sense.

viii. P13: The college’ veterans group was part of the services, so if I hadn’t joined the veterans student achievement group, I wouldn’t have known about the FAFSA, but I would have still qualified for it without being a veteran

ix. P14: Um,-: Well, so they have tutoring services they have disability services they-: You know it’s and and those two specifically or or something that I’ve utilized in the past.-: So I can, I can speak directly on those. And I could speak where there’s pitfalls and when there were there’s you know where I’ve seen success.-: Disability Services worked really well with me at community college to get me extra time on tests to give me the ability to listen to music while taking tests because I needed background noise to keep me from being distracted from-: external stimuli.-: To allowing me to get up and walk out of class they provided me a smart pen so that I could take my notes and it would record the class while I’m doing it. Um,-: It’s-: And at the same token, I-: I watched. I went to Cincinnati State and their disability services said give me this and we can figure it out. But no, no real structure to it.You know,-: Tutoring-: At-: Mid-Atlantic Community College, you know, that was very accessible. It was very achievable and attainable.-: Tutoring essence any state was-: jumping through so many hoops that it felt useless that by the time I got there I was too late and I’m already behind in class and there’sP14: I’m more likely to withdraw than I am to continue with tutoring because i i’m so behind in the concepts that I don’t want to. I need to retake it because I didn’t feel that I was adequately understanding and couldn’t get the resources I needed to system.

x. P15: There are multiple services At the college.-: That can, it can be something as simple as tutors library to use the computer to do your research to print a paper.-: The clubs. They are resources. If you are a geology major or an English major, are you taking an English class, there’s an English club. There’s a math club. So even if you’re not there with the tutors.-: Sometimes you just need a peer to-: Help you understand the material more than a tutor came so there’s clubs, there’s often study rooms, they have-: For the artists and designers, they have a fabrication lab. So I can go there and make this necklace. You know, I’ve had, I’ve made.-: duplicates of this at the data of laser cutters 3D printers.-: All types of things. And so there’s a lot of resources or if you’re going through a food crisis on an individual level or or your family colleges community colleges. They often have-: Some type of assistance.-: This college at a food pantry for I’ve had to use it a few times when I first got here.-: They often have a truck bring-: Supplies and food to school and everyone you just see like a line like you would think these people are trying to get into a club.-: But that’s just that just lets you know how needed this service.-: Is needed if there would be a truck, it will bring canned goods ordering fruits, vegetables, bread, milk, water or these kind of things and they’re just be online people align-: USC. They’re cool guy or a cougar who looks like they got it all going on everyone’s there. So this is a service for everyone.-: You know this with the people who you-: Need-: Food isYes.-: Even they can even supply services such as hygienic.-: Services no toothbrush.-: So rags tissue.-: Everybody every race.-: Every culture every religion. Every sexual orientation every-: financial background, everybody.-: So it’s definitely a beautiful thing to see. And then if it’s not a resource on the school. They can often provide you with a resource outside of the school that’s connected to the school as well. It can be a church. It could be a local food pantry.-: It could be housing assistance they can provide you with social workers.-: Mentors-: Therapists if needed. You know, they colleges community colleges. They can they assist the handicap-: Like-: You know, I’m a disabled veteran myself and also they they accommodate you in any way that they can’t

i. Community college – P1: There’s a certain level of exclusivity with a military culture vanishes. -: Colloquially say baked into the cake. -: It’s part of it. -: Is that’s part of the whole -: Idea of, you know, espirit de corps -: Whereas within Community College culture because you’re dealing with -: People who are coming mostly coming straight out of high school. -: And the demographic. They’re mostly is a younger demographic -: And I myself being much older. Even though when I initially started my community college experience my age was pretty much on par with my peers. -: However, what I what I did experience. -: Personally -: Sort of an isolating -: feeling of isolation because of my age. -: Because of my life experiences. -: And not really having -: And a place or a group of people -: With him to share that with necessarily even though they have their military or veterans there any classes at the college -: Although during certain some classes. Of course, you always Okay. -: Yes, how -: As I was saying before exclusivity. -: There’s a tacit degree in set inclusion. Whereas within the Community College culture. There is not. -: And from my -: From when I originally started Community College back in 2002 -: It seemed like it was more inclusive. -: And upon my return in -: It seemed as though they become lessened.

j. “Peers”(group work)

i. P14: society as a whole, tends to look at veterans as leaders they expect them to do the right thing, you know, have that integrity of doing the right thing at the right you know when nobody else is looking-: And P14: You know, I, my goal is always to maintain that image, you know that I’m a leader. I mean, I always take charge, but that’s not always what being a leader is so

ii. P10: Just by just-: Just, just normally making friendly conversation and-: Utilizing the same things that they do at the cause, such as the tutoring and-: Everything and giving-: Giving now selling-: Estrogen-: Extensions things about classes and things like that.-: And we did, we-: Did this in lab.-: Where we help each other.-: Succeed in in passing g our lab or biology lab.-: Shared notes and-: gave each other phone I work because we were in a group, so it helped it helped us succeed.-: Yes, we did learn-: I know-: What we had a we have projects where we had theP10: Had the group get data and stuff in and everybody got a piece of data and then we put it all together. And then at the end, the class we gave our results to the teacher. And that’s how we succeed.

iii. P1: I engage with him rather cautiously however I engage people rather cautiously in general.-: So, more than likely it’s over time and-: It through observing their-: You know behavior.-: overhearing conversations-: If there was any opportunity for group work or any sort of-: Period of instruction, where you were there is you have to enter-: Interact with students who are non veterans.-: It was purely on the basis of the business. The class working in and of itself.-: And then, of course, that would be a means of becoming more familiar with that person or people on a more personal level.-: Most of my experience happen in-: Science class.-: Where we have labs.-: There’s more opportunities for group work.-: Because we would have to part of the-: The, the mode of instruction is to-: Look at a set of findings and compare data prepare and share data.-: So in that-: In those situations,-: Through the-: I am losing my train of thought.-: Right.-: In order to complete-: Certain assignment or two.-: Days to to complete a certain assignment within the group, we have, you know,-: Share our findings share data and-: aid each other and-: Completing certain tasks such as-: Animal villa section, that kind of thing.-: Or dissection.-

iv. P2: I engaged with everyone I i’m I’m very outspoken. I’m so I’m a girl in front and center talking in class.-: So engage with my professors at in turn around and engage with people behind me.-: I would engage with people walking down the I’m the person that if I see someone you know like, especially if it doesn’t look like they’re having a good day, I’ll be like, I love that necklace or, I don’t know, whatever, you know, maybe-: I’ll find some way to engage someone and you know just be like, hey,-: And I never felt P2: That that was like not welcoming or accepted at in class at the community college.

v. P3: P3: Mostly just-: Walking down the hallways and corridors, just trying to be cordial, but in class full engagement in class with with everybody.-: Realize, I will-: StillP3: Work out well.

vi. P4: Right I veterans.-: During their ass.-: Veterans of better-: veterans are entitled assholes.-: And most of them didn’t do shit.-: So,-: Like I’d rather-: And what I realized, especially when you’re I’m 33 so a 20 year old doesn’t remember 911 doesn’t really know Afghanistan and Iraq or war, they don’t give a shit that out. I’m just the old guy who they have to work with and do a thing. I got a dog, which is cool.-: It’s like they don’t care. And that’s what I like. It’s just like so. How we gonna split up this project.-: There’s nothing. There’s no animosity. There’s no-: Anything, just like it’s just one word. I’m just the old man they got to work with and they’d rather work with the cute chick, but you got me. I’m sorry.-: And the dog.P4: But even he’s done only know what I meant for the next semester everything I’m really old and really uninteresting.

vii. Being in a class with women who have kids with women who have similar interests as me. So it’s nice. I was able to, you know, have friends and-: I’m-: Just communicate with them. And we’ve been friends for almost a year now. So-: And I’m one of my professors. She actually is amazing. She actually-: texted me like a couple days ago just randomly check on me. I was surprised to see that. So I was thinking about you over the summer. Like, I hope you’re doing well.-: And so I thought that was awesome. And it’s funny, my mom. She’s like, You must remain like a last name, a good impression or because you know that’s not a typical thing.-

viii. P11: Oh, definitely. I have to engage with them.-: Those people are all over the place of non veterans.-: Can’t get through life without interacting with those people.-: Just stay professional and you have to do your job answer questions.P11: Yeah.

ix. P12: I treated Non veterans. Similarly, in the same way as I would meet a veteran. Hey, how’s it going, never, never, never just volunteer out, you know, I’m the student veteran president because sometimes that Putting labels, especially a label like that can can make things awkward intimidating, soP12: Really just, you know, Human. Human. Hey, I’m a student to. How’s it going, did you happen to get the notes for yesterday or hey, by the way, did you know that this is happening. You know, we had a pop quiz or something like that. Something just something light and just in and warm is all

x. P13: I-: didn’t engage with them, but I found it very difficult because the culture is so completely foreign to what I’m-: Comfortable and-: Somebody is it feels like capable of communicating with.- Yeah, so-: So there’s there’s a lot about dealing with civilians that I don’t understand,

xi. P14 On engaging his civilian peers: P14: I engage Cautiously-: I’ll-: Do my best not to-: To use as many swear words.-: Do my best not to-: talk shit to knots-: Or to do it lightly. I’ll say that because I tend to not have a not talking shit mode.-: And it’s more of a put down a kid gloves, you know, just generally being chipper nicer happier trying to be pleasant because at the end of the day, even if that’s not how I feel. That’s how I want them to see it better. I want them to see, you know, it’s a-: Projection of-: What we are but if you if if you brought on a non veteran student into a veteran center, for instance, with no experience whatsoever and-: They saw like a whole-: Whole day and played out without anybody really knowing that they were there, because then if somebody if the veterans know then they’re going to be, they’re going to behave differently. But if they were like, observing it through a security camera or something.-: That would be a whole different scenario to to what what’s projected to those not for those non veteran students-: Just that shit talking alone.-: Yeah.-: Letter send it. It’s all loving but veterans tend to not be-: The nicest when it comes to certain things. Oh, you gotta be well you fucking suck that study harder jackass. You know, United say that to a non veteran student and be like, oh,-: You got to be-: Well did. Did you give it your best. Did you did you study as long as you could. Did you choose the best option when it came to studying or going out and partying. Did you make the best decisions, it’s, it’s almost more like a-: Non veteran student tends to, in my experience, and this isn’t just me personally, either. It’s what I have observed a veteran is more likely to mentor a non veteran student where a veteran student and a veteran student-: There are mentoring capacities, but it’s more in the mindset or the approach of-: You’ve been through some shit I recognize that same. I’m going to present it in a way that you will understand appropriately.-: I’m going to break that break through that crusty old salty bastard shell and and put it right in the right way that it will be retained that you won’t forget what I’m trying to help you learn

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ii. P12: Community College will change according to what To the times (flexibility).

iii. Being in a class with women who have kids with women who

iv. P14: Um, -: You know, -: As I mentioned earlier, you know I have. I’m still working on. I still have self esteem issues, but they were way worse. Then, and they they are now. And I always felt like somebody was just looking at me like, what are you doing here, dude. You be you’re not -: You’re not a college kid. -: You know, so that that always caused me an additional layer of stress on myself. -: And the community college as opposed to, you know, starting as a first year. -: First year at a university where the non-traditional students to traditional students is like a 95 to five type scenario. -: And community college is probably more of a 70-30 -: Scenario if to try to kind of quantify that. -: It helped -: To not feel like the only one.

l. Restoration

i. P4: I went to community college because I was hurt and I was at home, and it was: In rural community colleges where I tend to do it was a, it’s a very good community college, and it was within 10 miles from my house. So I didn’t know what I wanted to do. I still know what I want to do. So it’s been a really good place to explore different avenues.: Without having to like fully commit00

ii. P11: I was told.: By a couple of coaches, I’d seen just outside of the college and that I was too much in my head with technical stuff that I needed to get out of my head.: So,: I started taking some of the art courses, little one. And to me, class meeting type: Drawing and so that’s been a lot of fun.

iii. P13: I knew that I wanted my four year degree.: I knew that I wanted to have a four year degree so that I could feel like. Like I had a shot at getting a real job.: Like that, like I had opportunities that I didn’t have open to me when I started this whole process.: Like the opportunities that I thought Air Force had promised me: would finally be available to me.: And I like it. It felt like: To be honest, it felt like it felt like I was finally getting my shot at what everything I had been promised my sign on the dotted line. I felt like I was finally getting a chance to recoup all those things that I thought I was going to get a shot at my signed up for the Air Force. and potentially getting my master’s degree

iv. P5: One of my professors texted me like a couple days ago just randomly check on me. I was surprised to see that. So I was thinking about you over the summer. Like, I hope you’re doing well.

4. Rules and Regulations

i. P13 I graduated twice because of community college code.

ii. P2: On time.-: Responsibility self responsibility, respect, you know, being able to to look at things and and have to accept the jacks that up. Yeah, okay, how am I gonna fix this or how am I going to do it better next time you know take-: Or responsibility and accountability.-: Might not have one on schedule from the military, I better have been there on time. Like I was not allowed to be late to nothing, because that would have been a whole lot of trouble. So you know that that was the thing in itself.-: Accountability

iii. P3 on military culture rules others should adopt: Oh, and all of it.-: Is structured don’t have a change a light bulb and wash the dishes and sweep the floor and everybody would follow it. Come on. I wish everybody would indoctrinate themselves a military bearing and protocol.-: For military. Don’t we know that-: I believe. They instill good morals and ethics.-: And it allows us. Let me tell you another thing that the military is done.-: I believe I grew up with some pretty-: Not pretty a few good morals and ethics are the way to live my life about who I should be and how I should be in this world what the military day was a pronounce that. And it almost mandated us to be the best that we can be-: I learned there is no color in the military, and it really right now and what’s going on in our world and like now I literally-:

iv. P9 on rules others should adopt from military: P9: And maybe be loyal to your country.: Honor respect. P9: There’s a lot of anger out in the world.

v. P11 on rules others should adopt from military: P11: Oh, definitely, like I said your mission first protecting your people supporting your people.

vi. If you’ve never served before and something switches on a dime like that you, you definitely be able to tell who wore the uniform or not, because those abrupt changes or the new way of doing things.-: That are being implemented on the spot, or they hate it, they come down to my office. Oh my god, can you believe now we have to do the X y&z were before we’ve always done it.P12: Well, we’ve always done it this way we’ve always done it that way. And it’s like, oh, you know, baby girl. You got to be flexible, like, you know, that’s you have to be flexible and be able to adapt, always, always

vii. P8 on rules others should adopt from military: willingness to do- : A work when others aren’t willing to, you know, that’s why I see see places of employment and things like that because I’m willing to go the extra mile and other people are- : Are they feel they should be, you know, they should be compensated in the Marine Corps, you go, there you go the extra mile and you’re lucky if you get if you get a pat on the back or get any sort of recognition for anything.- : So, you know, for me, I just do it because that’s just what I’m ingrained to do, you know, not because of anything else. And so, because I don’t look for any type of extra forP8 : The civilian world. That’s actually a great asset in that, you know, people reward people for it so

viii. P5 on rules other should adopt from military: P5 I mean, even though I’ve been over a year now. I still have-: My military bearing, I guess you could say, meaning that-: I don’t really like too loud. I like to carry myself, you know, carry myself well I don’t like look-: I like to put be well put together. And that makes sense. Like, I don’t like to look just any old kind of way because-: It just seems like-: I was just, you know, I have my uniform top notch and I boot shine my hair, pull back and tight like I’m just used to being that way. So I kind of carried that over, I’m-: Helping out others like going above and beyond to help out others I still carry that over because I feel like-: One of my Christian and I just feel like that’s what you should be doing anyway but I’m-: just hoping that your neighbor, your brother, you know, because it’s what is it hurting you, to help somebody out in me. So whether it’s-: You know, hey, do you need some extra money for food or and that’s something else getting off topic. Something else that I really liked about the vet centers that they provide.-: A cans and just food for people that might need it and just provide you know those, those types of things for people in need. Um, let’s see, is there anything else that I bring over-: And just our work ethic. Um, I think, again, I just had so much to prove in the military because being an African American woman is just, that’s just the culture of it.-: So I feel like I have to strive to do to do better. Like I’m six months pregnant now and everyone why you need to take it easy. And I’m like, I gotta keep going. And that’s why I’m like-: I started school in the fall, like I just gotta keep going. So I’m that hard work that hard ethic, I just, I have that. And I brought that over from the military, so-: I think African American women have been underdogs for a very long time. Um, I think in the military, from what I’ve experienced it. You don’t get a lot of you don’t see a lot of respect because-: The people who are in higher leadership, like the officer and the Warren officers and even the chiefs, you know, they’re predominantly white males and they dominate a lot of the job there and-: You see a lot of people getting shipped out of promotions. You see a lot of people who deserve it. Good job out of qualifications and I genuinely think that has a lot to do with-: You know, abusing your power from one and just having the attitude of-: I’m a Caucasian male, and I had that power and I had that authority, um-: I’VE SEEN I’VE SEEN African American women who have excelled the qualifications, who did great on the exams, but because you don’t have that that that that eval that good Evo.-: You know, you don’t get that promotion, you don’t get that job as opposed to someone who isn’t so great has a bad attitude poor sportsmanship. But they get it. And I think that’s, you know, call it for what it is, it’s because you know you’re, you’re a different race. And so, um,-: And just even me experiencing it for myself. I mean I had so many qualifications and I had one of my job that I loved.-: Be stripped from me, because this particular chief. He just did not think that women should be in the military, and it doesn’t help that I’m an African American woman either, so I think I’m-: And I mean we’re seeing it today with the whole systematic race racial thing. I think it’s everywhere, especially in the military. So, um,-: Yeah, I think just just being the underdogs in general, that’s just something that you know you face in the military.-: Um, because I don’t-: From outside looking in. When people think of the military, they think of United when when we indoor the same issues that someone in the civilian world would indoor. It’s just that, what kind of forced to work together because we have to, if that makes sense. So, um,-: Um,-: Because at the end of the day, you have a mission to complete and whether you like who you’re working with, or not, whether it’s their attitude personality or skin tone.-: You kind of have to get the job done. Now what happens after you get the job done is the total, total different thing, and I-: share my experiences with different people and they’re shocked. They’re like, really in the military, like you would think that you guys you know what habits together because you guys are, you know, just serving our country and you, you get this pretty picture of us, you know,-: Just being this powerfulP5: I don’t know this powerful thing. But again, we experienced, you know, the same things that people in the civilian world experience and it is a job to do and you do have those type of things going on.

ix. I found some of their instructors were very deep sort of dictatorial. – -: Yes. – -: And they would nitpick and they were in the weeds but things that weren’t important – -: Instead of it was some of them were like, Well, here’s the information, take the test, and I would like that could be improved by having more interaction and more open discussion and applying what you learn to practice versus reading take a test. – -: But that’s any teaching environment. It’s not just Community College, as do it a teacher style. – -: Like for one class I took when I took the exam I read the book, I understood the assignment. – -: And I was able to answer the questions. But the teacher asked me to write down every page number where I got the answer and I said, I’m not doing that. – -: Because that’s a waste of my time and then we’ll just take too long to find the page. And I said, in the future, if you want people to do that. You tell them in advance and we can take notes of – -: What the page number is – -: So I didn’t do it. – -: I just the answer. I didn’t cheat. I knew it, I learned it, and I wrote it. – -: I failed the class. – -: I did all the other assignments, but didn’t do that. And that was in a failed class. – -: Hmm, well, since I don’t care about a grade point average but I gave my feedback back to the instructor and I have no idea if they’re going to work on that or not.

x. P11 I like to that we had a mission in the military, whatever your office was whatever your job was there was a mission and the mission should be always be put first that’s what I like. So it’s like what the community college teaching should be put. First, you do it to the best of your ability. You keep training to where you do it better and better and better.

xi. P9 -The military was fine. I like having stricter discipline and clear rules. – -I was fine wearing a uniform didn’t have to worry about what I was going to wear the next day.

xii. P9 I didn’t like is that you were really – -under their control 24 seven, even when you’re not working, you were under their control. – -You were still at your military all the time. – -I did not like that. There weren’t many minority officers. P9 -You’re a lot of minority enlisted and that officers and that’s about it. It was a good experience glad I did it.

xiii. P10: I don’t like the changes that that have come I’m accustomed to, like, though the old ways in and in doing things, but -: With situations arising in the military. -: Pilot new policies new -: It’s like new people have been in place. So they’ve taken -: They’ve seen things so they change they change the whole structure. So I’m really not familiar with that. -: Really not familiar with it, but, um, you’ll adapt and overcome so that’s that’s my whole thing. That’s how I live adapt and overcome everything every situation.P10: That’s that’s in this really how I deal with college life adapted in overcame.

xiv. P1: I had a hard time -: Initially, -: I just in the military culture not within the realms of discipline or -: Just general conforming, it was -: Relating to other people from different places that that I never had contact with prior to -: I had certain preconceived notions which were quickly, which I quickly get rid of and other people had you know preconceived notions about myself which over time they get rid of as well. -: But I think that’s -: Anywhere. -: I think as I’ve gotten older, I have come to realize that I am -: Fairly nonconformist person and that the military in and of itself was not the best fit for me.P1: However, given life circumstances and certain decisions I made I decided to stick it out.

xv. P4: I didn’t do well adjusting to military rules. I feel like I’m one of those people I do in 2006 was the highest recruitment year since 911 they took everybody -: So, -: I understand the game. -: And what it -: Week, you know, it is what it is. I’m not very I love America. I’m not very jingoistic I don’t vote. -: I love conspiracy theories. I think -: In like the real thing is I was so because I was fucking I was in ninth grade when 911 happened. We’ve watched it history class happen live on TV. -: And then I joined the Marines 17 and then I went to Iraq. And then I got hurt in Afghanistan and then was laying in bed forever in Afghanistan. I started reading different things and homeless. Like, what do you mean Russia was at war with Afghanistan. -: And we we helped Dad, can we paid for the people who became al Qaeda and the Taliban. -: To fight the Russians and then you start going deeper and deeper down this rabbit hole and you’re like, so there’s just a circle. -: World stupid circle. -: So I think that, but you need that you need a certainty of food and it is and who you’re going to fight and what it is. Be or relative ever going to win. So I don’t like that about the military, but it’s absolutely necessary. I just00:16:33.750-00:16:36.030P4: I just wish I wasn’t so brainwashed for so long.

b. Equality and Juxtaposition- (remember P10 vet pref over civ student

i. P10: Well it okay as a is a black male going to college. -: In the military and it’s, it’s, um, it’s different because -: You’re not -: It was different because every everybody was friendly. -: But -: I didn’t get as much much help as I think I would have if I would have been a different race. -: It’s -: Not -: They don’t. It’s not spelled out, you know, they don’t -: They don’t kind of say it, but -: They don’t -: You really not looked at and given -: Like the help that you would get -: If you or somebody else. -: Have a different race. -: This go with both (community college culture or the military) -: Yeah. -: Because you have to, you have to research. -: In both stuff yourself instead of you asking for help or getting getting the help you need for the problems that you need. -: Like the problems for for me where I’m -: Sometimes scheduling scheduling and stuff and -: I’ve -: Experienced like -: People getting help book before me that we’re not there before in all in office. -: This is the community. -: In the military, you’re not able to get help you, they’re -: Well, in the -: In the military there. -: There’s the favoritism so it’s it’s who they like -: Gets the benefits -: For example, I was I was put up for promotion and passed up for promotion because of -: The -: The person and the the job title. So the person got the promotion and then decided to get out of state in soP10: It was it was it was kind of devastated.

ii. P10: It was-: Not really in time where I hadn’t thought about, you know, military culture.-: I think once they know that you, you are a veteran they receive you very well. But until then, they don’t they don’t understand-: They don’t receive you as well.-: Because when you’re a veteran.-: Is more likely to priority and -: And help you when I don’t know your veteran, they don’t take-: Any priority and helping you in giving you the resources and stuff you need-: Well, I’ve seen like-: Now, that’s not good. Get-: Give what they need, like,-: When they go to the office and stuff and they need something P6: So like the college’s veteran center you had all types of-: Benefits of being I guess in the military and having that vet center there.

iii. Juxtaposition P4: Just the whole thing of like-: Understand how annoying you are-: Just what I would like. People have this like you’re annoying stuff being annoying say you can’t live nuts, the Bucks with people 24 seven from nine months.-: In the heavier annoying tendencies. It’s like-: Other people around other people have an objective. It’s not about you.Can just-: Shut the fuck up and pay attention. I don’t care what you’re here for, you know, it’s just-: Like I just want to scream that people all time when they tap their pens or they do things or they just keep talking in the background. So it’s like I’m stupid. I’m old. I need to pay attention, or I don’t understand this ship.-: Shut the fuck up. I don’t think I’ve turned around, just being like no one gives a shit what you wrote on Twitter today.-: Nobody cares-: Nobody cares-: They shouldn’t care, nobody cares.-: It’s just common courtesy. Just like when you’re in your free time till your free time shit.-: With your in this little space, other people are involved.-: That’s what’s annoying in the military who can’t get away with that shit. Try and be the guy who sticks her head out.-: Chop that shimmer. The. Fuck off.-: Yeah.-: Yeah.-: Just anything. Just don’t be fucking don’t stand out.-: It’s like your, your purpose in the classroom is not a standout unless it’s for good reasons.-: To shut the fuck up and let other people make people paid to be there. Right. You said old people need to be there for a reason, people in their 70s. Want to learn accounting or whatever fucking reason, let them learn accounting-: Like, you don’t have to be here. This is a voluntary class. You don’t have to be here.-: For some reason everyone in their head things they have to go to college, especially Community College.-: That’s like you don’t you don’t. I think there’s not a lot of emphasis on trades anymore, which I think is sad. I don’t know why that so look down upon-: You can learn a lot of trades that community colleges to or just smaller schools or focus schools. But for some reason, going to a trade school and become somebody who is handy, or has a specialty in something physical was become just so frowned upon right only most like-: No, it’s helpful is fun. It’s way more helpful than learning out debits and credits and whatever the fuck-: You don’t have to be here to feel accomplished school, do whatever you want to do.-: That’s why I feel extremely-: Privileged because I don’t need to go to community college-: Like people just love the story of me so I can go do whatever now just teach meP4: But I do it because I want to know what I want someone that.

iv. Juxtaposition P2: I would describe military culture as-: Work hard play hard -: In all aspects of life, we would work 18 hour days. Often, and then we could party for 18 hours.

c. Bureaucracy

i. P1: I didn’t like it. -: Now, I was in a feeling the overall feeling of isolation there. -: I did not feel -: Or perceived to be supported. -: The administration didn’t seem to be very supportive. -: There were certain bureaucratic or just -: administrative issues they had to deal with that I think should be easily resolved, which weren’t which took a lot of -: A lot of a -: Lot of time and energy to have resolved, especially given the fact that this particular institution, I’d been there had a -: Long history with it an institution. -: And also, -: The -: I would say some of the faculty -: A one time, we’re more supportive -: Say have -: Helped me achieve my goals. -: And when I returned the same -: Faculty members who I’ve known for years. -: Were disinterested.-

ii. P12: And mind you, I’m public health students weren’t notified of these changes at all. I’m not that there hasn’t been much I could have done with a notification.: But maybe I don’t know. I don’t know. I still would have been better but to the the thing that the kicker was that they took away the 15 week option.: But there were several other courses that still had the 15 week and the eight week option for the course.: And if the courses majority are online anyway. Why would you take the 15. You don’t have to be physically in the classroom, so why even take the 15 week option away.: aren’t just teaching the same material. I didn’t see what the difference was if you’ve done it so so many years.: 15 weeks and you’re able to operate at eight week. Why couldn’t you just leave that option open because it’s not like your materials changing it or just giving more of it in a short and week I just didn’t see the purpose of doing of eliminating 15 week altogether.: I brought it to the departments chair’s. Attention, because ultimately, I had to go to her and say hey you know I’m taking all of these credits. I’m at 20 credits right now.: Because of the decisions. Either you agreed or whoever made these decisions. Um, it’s, it’s really, it sucks, quite frankly, it sucks because you’re putting me in a position to overload myself just to remain just to stay at or above the: The 12 credit minimum that I’m supposed to have. I have to maintain 12 credits are better, but I can’t just stay as well. I have to do because: It mid semester. Once those eight week classes are done, they need to be replaced with another eight weeks, I need to stay full time again. So they’ll drop down to nine or seven but I have to refill that that gap.: In the Fall semester to maintain full time status for the sake of receiving my full GI Bill entitlement.

iii. I was so stressed out at that point because I just, I couldn’t understand how to do things. I couldn’t under I had no roadmap. I had no way-: To know what to do next. And I felt like I was just missing things missing things missing, and it had me so stressed out and-: Because my college work with easy. That wasn’t the problem, but it was now we need these papers you know for financial aid. Now we need this. Now we need that. And I was just like, why does this keep happening to me.-: What am I missing. I knew there was something I was missing. I was like, there’s something-: I was like, This is not like just bad luck or you know as like there’s something I’m supposed to be doing here and I have no idea what it is. So I need to go find out how I’m gonna find out what it is.

5. Struggle –P12: And it’s just, it’s been a, it’s been a Beautiful Struggle, honestly, because I’m Oh man, I, I’m just thinking I’m like man I have done a lot. I’ve accomplished a lot. P10: School is not hard. This is easy. If you learn, learn how to manage, manage your time is time management is the biggest thing.

6.

a. Adulting (finance, family)

1. P8 : The responsibilities are so much different that 20 year old person, you know they’re thinking about Instagram and Twitter.P8 : And what’s happening. Whereas, though you could be looking at, you know, stocks and making sure you have a good 401K and like regular IRA versus Roth IRAs and stuff like that where you’re 20 you’re not thinking about that because you don’t know it’s not something that something that’s just in the forefront of your mind that point in your life. P15: Yeah, I ended up getting an A in English. And then I gotta be in geology and I think that’s just because there is so much duties on my behalf that had to worry about outside of school.

2. P12: Freshman. I guess you would say, I’m so it’s like the same thing. It’s just this blanketed tone. So it’s like you’re treated as if you are all the same. You’re on the same playing level so obviously somebody 18 years old, more than likely does not have the same P12: Responsibilities as somebody 25 or even 21 for that matter, but when you’re when you’re in a classroom or when you’re receiving P12: I’m advising and even this is that narrow into your it’s it’s just very blanketed it’s just one size fits all type of service, you get and it’s it’s really annoying, it’s very annoying.

3. P10: I use the benefit which gave me enough to go to school and housing allowance.: Which made me made it suitable for me to just go to school and not have to worry about working

b. Persistence (longevity)

1. P6: I was I was tired of that I want to go work in As time went on, that closer to retirement, about a year out every time. And it’s like, Okay, I’m tired of this. I need to do something I necessarily didn’t want to work. Didn’t want to work for anybody, or just go get a job, jump back off into working. Just working. So I wanted to get another another trade and computers.

2. P6: Uh, no, I didn’t, I didn’t use any of the tutors. Um, I was needed help. And what was that: An intuition. I wasn’t doing too well in nutrition. I ended up dropping it. But before I dropped it. I had a talk with a professor and she offered some ideas on how I could get better or, you know, get better grades or get a better grade for nutrition, but I didn’t take advantage of. I just ended up dropping the class

3. P3: Is after care for our veterans. What are we going to do with them after they finish their coursework and then they got all these great ideas all these new skills, but remember they all have mental health issues too. So my job is to

4. P4: Like I just hop around from everything until I realized that I hate everything and then I move on to another major.

5. P9: I two different types of classes and I kept changing my major.

6. P5: So I feel like I have to strive to do to do better. Like I’m six months pregnant now and everyone why you need to take it easy. And I’m like, I gotta keep going. And that’s why I’m likeP5: I started school in the fall, like I just gotta keep going. So I’m that hard work that hard ethic, I just, I have that. And I brought that over from the military,

7. P15: So it has been a rough and rocky road but along this road.

8. But you have something to share it. That’s your little moment to to leave your mark and you need to leave your mark. Anytime you’re asked, do you have anything else.

9. P12: So I took that time to say I just want you to know that the the women here on this command are working just as hard or even harder than some of the men, and I feel that we deserve to be represented and we deserve the representation

10. I wouldn’t have had the possibility of doing any of these things. If I hadn’t started down the road of trying to take advantage of education benefits.: If I hadn’t done that, if I hadn’t taken that left turn, so to speak, and gone down the road of trying to use my GI Bill, I wouldn’t have met the people who gave me the advice that ended up pointing me in the road for getting my disability lined up. I wouldn’t have ended up getting

11. P14: I am on my first university fourth college total

12. P13: GI Bill benefits are huge. The benefit led me to the people at the community college who would point me in the direction to getting the help that I needed to, putting me in touch with that networks of people who played a role and helped me. I Start putting my life back together. Granted it was 20 years later than I thought it was going to be: But better late than never.

ii. P12: On this board and I went on to say a couple of more things just empowering women and female sailor just women in the military period that we deserve this.

iii. P12: And I want to represent this because this is what I do day in and day out for this command in my division and my sailors that I work with. So, we are here.P12: And we’re working so something along those lines and then ultimately, I won. I was a I was a junior sailor of the year. So, wow. Yeah.

c. Forms of oppression (normal, intersectional, contextual)

1. P8 (He) I was well aware of the sexual assault problem at the military faces now because the, the media knows about these types of issues. – : Now, the military will do more, or they will do extra because of it. You know, we would have more classes, you know that everything would change based on that dynamic alone and not they’re actually being a problem. So it just all depends. It just really all depends. You just have to be – : Be a part of it. No.P8 : I know that’s it.

2. P3: Not pretty a few good morals and ethics are the way to live my life about who I should be and how I should be in this world what the military day was a pronounce that. And it almost mandated us to be the best that we can be P3: I learned there is no color in the military, and it really right now and what’s going on in our world and like now I literally P3: Yo, sexism, racism and all the isms and completely got rid of it. And that’s and that’s the way I live my life now which goes back into lie so hard for me to adjust in our society to

3. P2: Oh, about the military culture, the racism that sexism. Um, it’s an environment that breeds abuse of people. It’s very easy to abuse people in the military

4. P5 I think another thing that I’d Don’t like is the culture of how some men treat women and I know that men experience sexual assault sexual harassment as well. Unfortunately, they don’t come for as much as women do. But you know, I’ve witnessed the sexual harassment I’ve witnessed going out, and I’m getting drunk, and I’m taking things overboard saying hurtful things, Amy things and, you know, it’s like we all work together to why would you put yourself in that situation? So that’s something that you know, it’s very scary. I think if my daughter who was four, if she was to come up to me and said that she will want to join the military one day I think that will be the first thing that pops in my mind is her safety as far as sexual harassment and sexual assault goes, because that is a big, big, big, big thing in the military. And you say, as today, even as today

5. P12: When you’re in the military, you can’t do things to make yourself stand out, you have to P12: Do in the military, you’re blending in. You’re not. It’s not a standout institution, it’s, it’s a, you know, that’s why they say things like

6. P12: I’ve heard things i don’t i don’t see black and white in the Navy. I see blue and gold. Well, no one’s blue and no one’s go you know we can put these things on and take them off.

7. P5: And just our work ethic. Um, I think, again, I just had so much to prove in the military because being an African American woman is just, that’s just the culture of it.

8. P5: I think African American women have been underdogs for a very long time. Um, I think in the military, from what I’ve experienced it. You don’t get a lot of you don’t see a lot of respect becauseP5: The people who are in higher leadership, like the officer and the Warren officers and even the chiefs, you know, they’re predominantly white males and they dominate a lot of the job there andP5: I’VE SEEN I’VE SEEN African American women who have excelled the qualifications, who did great on the exams, but because you don’t have that that that that eval that good

9. All it takes so so I’ve actually been on the mess decks, where we eat lunch and dinner and breakfast and someone said, Hey, I found that I found the new debt girl, meaning that both may

10. P12: And she’s coming. She’s gonna be here next week and then the phone gets passed around, of what she looks like. So it’s like Yeah, she’s all right. No, no, she’s been she’s been talking about bad meaning like she looks good, he or she is interested: And then something like an eye. That’s just a whole bunch of makeup. She probably looks really regular when she gets here. These are the kinds of conversations. They’re, they’re had about women who are coming to the ship. So, um, yeah, it is. We don’t do that for men because we don’t care. We’re not looking to follow women on board a good chunk of us just want to do our jobs and be left alone. We’re not looking to fall in love with the next Incoming sailor. Or twoP12: Patients with them for that matter, we’re just looking. We’re just hoping they go hope pick you know handle their workload and contribute. That’s it, and not be a Dirtbag of, you know,: dirt bag, meaning not being like a sloppy lazy sailor.

11. P12: The so a lot of work, a lot of work needs to be done.

12. P12: Culturally : So, um, yeah, it is. We don’t do that for men because we don’t care. We’re not looking to follow women on board a good chunk of us just want to do our jobs and be left alone. We’re not looking to fall in love with the next

13. P2: That’s my kind of use it because I’ve already seen how it goes down when when they integrated ships in the Navy and had both men and women on ships and it’s it’s a mess.

14. P5: Be stripped from me, because this particular chief. He just did not think that women should be in the military, and it doesn’t help that I’m an African American woman either, so I think I’m

15. I started off with A female chief. And so I think she was more excited to have a female in her division. And so it was a little bit easier for me coming in. But once she left, I started to kind of see how incense certain things can be different because you have people from all over the world who were raised completely different from you. Sometimes the guys were aggressive, sometimes they didn’t have manners and something was say and do things that you know would make you feel uncomfortable.P5 14:44 I remember going to a lot of different trainings that involved, you know, whether it was bystander intervention, you know, reporting of sexual assault, things like that, and that Me personally, I’ve experienced it as well as I know people who did it which made me want to become a sexual assault advocate. Well, I was able to help, you know, other, it was mostly women that came forward and, you know, recorded those things. But it was nice for me to be able to help women that experienced the same thing. So I would say that being in the military had its ups and downs. I mean, the camaraderie is where I personally love about the military, having people that genuinely have your back, you know, meeting people that obviously I didn’t have any family in Hawaii and I was very far away from Virginia. So it was nice meeting, whether it was some of the guys that I work with wives or whether it was women that I work with, or just new men, it was nice having them and being able to treat them as if they were family, and then having my back. So those are some of the good things. I really enjoyed about it and traveling and Being able to experience different cultures in that way. Definitely had its ups and downs in the military,ups and downs I had a chief. My last she’s actually on my last shit. He was openly homosexual. Everyone knew he didn’t hide it. And which I thought was, you know, great. But he did show a lot of favoritism to some of my group that he, you know, was very close with. And he did eventually get in trouble because myself included some of the females in the division. He didn’t treat so great. And I guess because he just didn’t think that females needed to be in the Navy. He’s very vocal about that as well. therapy will do not belong to the Navy. And they definitely don’t belong as they both have made, they need to be more of a admin job or an NC job working with careers pretty much have an office or admin job. That was his face. So that was kind of difficult for me. It kind of made me prior to him coming to the show, I loved Navy, I loved everything about it, but he kind of changed my perspective, because I wasn’t used to having leadership that wasn’t being the leader, pretty much. And then that’s when I started seeing, you know, poor leadership. And that’s what kind of made me feel like okay, you know, if, if I got out the military wouldn’t be that big of a deal because I’m just not feeling it. And then that’s when I kind of took it more like, okay, it’s a job. You know, it’s just a job. When we all know that we’re sailors, soldiers, 24 seven It kind of changed my mindset about that. I’m like, okay, it’s just a job like I can’t, can’t indulge in it because, you know, these people are making it a lot harder for me to enjoy what I’m doing as I’m serving my country.

d. Trauma – non-military, military – 11 of 15 participants in this reported having a disability although formal VA disability ratings are not disclosed in this study. Students with disabilities do report disability triggers in schoool, participants describe the stress as low in instances such as tapping of pens by other students, commonly know as an agitate to Post-Traumatic Disorder. P4: Like I just want to scream that people all time when they tap their pens or they do things or they just keep talking in the background. So it’s like I’m stupid. I’m old. I need to pay attention, or I don’t understand this shit. One participant using the stress descalation room at the college’s veterans’ resource center. P14: With the bunker that was that was definitely an awesome space for me at that time.

1. P4: I got shot and stomach in the leg and they retired me and now I go to school and I have a baby and my life is terrible. How can I help you? (On traumatic event P4):The professor like yeah you ever had a gun pointed at you. I’m like, Yeah, and it’s like, how do you know-: Why-: Did you see the barrel. Like sometimes like Has anyone ever shot at you, though. And I’m like, yeah.-: It’s just like how did you know they’re shooting at you. I think I was so confused. It took me like 20 minutes after class I was driving home. So I was like, because I got shot. That’s how I knew they were shooting at me.

2. P11: He’d make the comment about, Oh, well I you know your husband’s out of town. Well, my wife and I have an open marriage. Maybe I’ll come by and as -: You know, and I remember you know I was young, I was like 23 and I and I would go home the evenings. I didn’t even want to turn the lights on in our apartment because he made me so nervous and I had no idea that I could report that stuff.

3. P13: Well, this kind of stuff. And like for somebody coming out of a chaotic background like I did. I came from a family background that was -: very abusive very chaotic, we never knew what was going to get in trouble. You never knew it was going to cause problems, you never knew what was -: Going to be okay. The state not okay the next day to have all that stuff so clearly delineate. It was like heaven. It was like, this is awesome. This I can do, you know, I am going to rule campus and and it was just, it was just perfect. -: And it was just there were just so many things like you just knew how your clothes had to be and and and it wasn’t until 20 years later I found out I’m OCD. So this is why the rules really helped me -: Because because it worked really well. If my OCD and therefore I knew exactly how everything was supposed to be. And therefore, everything was supposed to be this way and and that made me happy part of my brain very happy. -: AndP13: Yeah, so

4. P2: on military family: I came from kind of came from a family that was dysfunctional my original family is very dysfunctional so gaining this like new dysfunctional family, um, -: You know.

5. P14: Who served nine months in Afghanistan in 2013 P14: I was a cavalry scout combat arms. And came back with a few more challenges than I left with.

6. P14: Part of my struggle and that that anticipation -: With PTSD is -: Being able to run as fast as I can, as quick as I need to. -: So I always positioned myself. -: The opportune place would be -: In a corner against two all -: Right next to the door. -: Or as close to the door as possible, where nobody could be behind me, nobody could be in, you know, to one side of me.

7. P11: Went to El issue transferred Louisiana Tech from there. Enter the Air Force as an officer served about four years till I had all the sexual harassment BS. I care to put up with and

8. P11: So I was the victim of sexual harassment, which is the reason why I had gone into the military.P11: So that was I. That is what I presented and when I finally did go to make a complaint in the Air Force about the sexual harassment. P11: I was told, we don’t have any sexual harassment issues in the Air Force and i and i remember i looked at the guy and I said, Are you serious, I said you integrate it, the races before you integrated the sexes and you still have racial problems. So you’re telling me that you’ve completely eradicated sexual harassment and I wasn’t told?

9. P12: So the incident happened while I was going to the Navy. But I think what really sold it for me. I actually was robbed. On a bus and you have a car at the time I was robbed and live in Inglewood, and this guy came up to me, smash my phone. And I was, I just in disbelief that you would like burst. My personal bubble and he ran out the back of the bus. P12: And he was like, This is my shit and he’s just like, and like the look at his face was like if you get up. I’m going to knock your head off. Like I was Terrified. And so I was like, I gotta get out of here. And so I didn’t have any hesitations about joining the Navy

10. P13: Bad things happen to me after the military. I am a sexual assault survivor because of the military. I’ve got, I’ve got a trauma background prior during and after the Military and And the VA, the VA didn’t want to give me service connection for any of it because when I tried to report any of that stuff When I was in the military.P13: So because of their religious perspective and where they were in their position over my life. They literally took away my opportunity to: Try to get my mental health put back together and it affected me for the next 20 years:

11. P13: The attorney that helped me get my sexual trauma on the record officially I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t have gotten any of that help for those things I need. I wouldn’t have had the paperwork, they need from the doctors:

12. P13: I wouldn’t have gotten the therapists, I needed. I wouldn’t have had the VA finally stepping up and and providing the health care that they need for the: Numerous disabilities that I’ve got. And it all started it all started because I found out that I was going into use it or lose it territory for my GI bill.: Was that one benefit if I hadn’t if I hadn’t used that one benefit. None of the other stuff will happen. And I’m not in any way, making that up. That was all due to me trying to use that one benefit.